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be spending about $3,000 more. >> harry reid kept the focus on the president's winning campaign message of letting the tax cuts expire on incomes over $250,000 a year. >> the people who have done so well during this difficult time with the economy, the richest of the rich are going to have to pay a little more to solve the financial problems we have this this country. >> this is what the campaign has been all about. congressional democrats are making sure the message is simple, consistent, to the point and easy to consume. recent comments from david plouffe as well as lawmakers left the president's strategy open to interpretation. progressives were concerned the social safety net programs were on the chopping block, but today democrats were unified in their approach. they are all on the same page. the president was reluctant to agree to a deal cutting medicare and medicaid benefits. president obama is seeking $1.6 trillion in additional revenue over ten years and $340 billion in health care savings. the time says the deal would not affect benefits. that's the keyword, benefits. the pres
cliff. democrats have harry reid. we have mitch mcconnell. get them in the room. no one gets all they want. if reagan and o'neill could do it, obama and boehner should be able to do it. >> it's the right approach, the one most beneficial for our economy, that protects the middle class and strengthens it and creates ladders of opportunity for those who aspire to the middle, to get there. >> it's time for the president to present a plan that rises above the reckless and radical voices on the hard left, that goes beyond the talking points of the campaign trail, and that has a realistic chance of passing the congress. the time, in other words, for campaigning is over. it's time for the president to lead. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid becoming greece. and republicans should put revenue on the table. so i agree we shouldn't raise rates, but grover is wrong when it comes to we can't cap deductions and buy down debt. what do you do with the money? i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country,
. i yield the floor. mr. reid: i would note the absence of a quorum. the presiding officer: the clerk will call the roll. quorum call: the presiding officer: the majority leader. mr. reid: false alarm. quorum call: quorum call: mr. reid: mr. president? the presiding officer: the majority leader. mr. reid: i ask unanimous consent the call of the quorum be terminated. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. reid: i ask unanimous consent that the senate resume legislative session and the senate proceed to morning business and is allowed to speak up to ten minutes each. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. reid: i ask unanimous consent we proceed to s. 3642. the presiding officer: the clerk will report. the clerk: s. 3642, a bill to clarify the scope of the economic espionage act of 1996. the presiding officer: is there objection to proceeding to the measure? without objection. mr. reid: mr. president, i ask unanimous consent the bill be rethree times, passed, the motion to reconsider be laid on the table with no intervening action or debate, any statements be placed in the
's negotiatorring position is nothing but tax increases and harry reid would some of the senators may want to focus their attention on has announced there is no entitlement reform, so to argue that the taxpayers should take the brunt of this battle and they should not defend taxpayers but the spending interests in washington, strikes me as odd. the effort by some to get entitlement reform, the democrats have said heck no and harry reid has said it ain't happening, and they ought to look at that, rather than trying to raise taxes to pay for obama's bigger government. >>neil: do you hear it is spreading? we have chatted about this before. you were open when we chatted in washington, to talk about the cliff cliff, to not equateing bringing in causes or tax loopholes and the like and closing them off, your point was as long as it leads eventually to revamping of the tax code, but this goes beyond that, they have no quid pro quo and they are offering this, you argue, what? >>guest: well, there are two ways you can damage the economy. one is to increase marginal tax rates, everyone knows the small busine
. harry reid, the democratic majority leader, wants to make some changes. debate has to start before a filibuster can begin. he might require any senator wishing to filibuster to stand up there and talk to which republicans are saying if you do that, we the minority are going to burn the place down. senator tom coburn of oklahoma saying, "i think the backlash will be severe. if you take away minority rights because that's what you're doing, you'll destroy this place. if you destroy the place, we'll do what we have to fight back." john cornyn says if democrats change the rules, it will shut down the senate, it's such an abuse of power. you might ask how their threats of a shutdown differ materially from the shutdown senate now when the minority will not allow a majority vote on anything giving them the power to control the senate. we called the two senators and asked specifically what they propose to do if they manage to tweak the filibuster. senator cornyn's office got back to us, but not with an answer. senator coburn did not respond, but he did give politico.com a hint of what he m
and majority leader reid will be recognized to speak and will likely outlined the schedule for the day which could include debate on defense programs and policy, and possibly legislation to do with equal rights, people with disabilities. centers will us from 12:30-2:15 eastern for weeks the party meetings. live coverage of the senate and members gavel in right here on c-span2. right now some debate from the floor of the senate yesterday between majority leader reid and republican leader mitch mcconnell. d, w they talkede about potentialit't changes to filibuster rules. here's some of what they had to say. >> i'd like to turn to anotheras issue that doesn't grab as manyt utadlines as these others we'veb been focus on the last few days o the mortal threat that has been quietly gathering against one of the most cherished safeguards of our government. i'm referring to the latest effort by some on the other side, most of whom have never served a day in the minority, to force a change in senate rules at the beginning of the new year that would fundamentally change the character of the senate. this
, they have a good opportunity in front of them. >> we heard senator reid said when asked he couldn't name any of the cut the democrats are willing to offer in the fiscal cliff negotiations. he said, "we need to get credit for cuts previously made." this is today. the cut previously made. i'm scratching my head to figure out what cuts the democrats made prior that they want credit for. if they did make credit cuts why did we run up four more years in a row? start fresh right now. talk about cuts and then talk about how are we going to raise revenues. >> eric: what would -- >> dana: what would harry reid mean by that? get credit on cuts they made. on what? >> bob: that is a $60,000 question. i'm not sure what he is talking about. but i know there will be cuts if entitlement program. readjust in the the entitlement program. there will be a tax increase on the wealthier americans of some size. i cannot believe that obama is going to travel around the country to make us think about this. if he doesn't think he will get them to go along with some marginal increase rates. >> dana: good point. let's
of taking the economy off the fiscal cliff is harry reid, president obama, he says he wants to compromise. he says there's only two options here, take the economy off the fiscal cliff or do it my way. that doesn't sound like something he's willing to negotiate in good faith. so, listen, republicans want to restore confidence and certainty to this economy. i don't think want to play brinkmanship, the way to do this is through pro-growth tax reform. i'll quote the numbers again. you'll get ten times the amount of revenue by growing the economy, $750 billion versus the measly $68 billion that the president's proposing by punishing success. i think that would work far better. >> and you're saying revenue because by taxing the wealthiest americans, it cuts off what has been referred to as job creators from actually getting americans to work so we have more americans working that are then paying into the tax system. >> thomas, i'm one of those job creators, those small business people. i could have explained to him what's on the minds of job creators, the people that make those investment decis
. >> also late tonight, harry reid said the three republicans are politicizing the benghazi matter, calling it, quote, outrageous. >> shepard: catherine herridge in washington. the white house and congress have five weeks to keep us from going over the fiscal cliff at the end of the year. that would mean automatic tax hikes and spending cuts at the same time and an economists say it could cause another resomething. the president met with congressional leaders from both parties, but harry reid says there has not been much progress since then. mike emmanuel is on capitol hill. republicans are asking for changes to social security and medicare. any common ground? >> shep, in public, it does not sound like it. top republican leaders say if you want to avoid the fiscal cliff, you need to address the drivers of our debt. >> we know that the only way we can solve our long-term debt and deficit problem is to fix the unsustainable growth rates of our very popular entitlement programs. the president has from time to time indicated an openness to that. now is the time to actually do it. >> 42 business
object, or have mitch mcconnell say i object. harry reid says, oh, well, we move on to the next thing and that's the end of it. >> that's the way they do it. they double track it. they say we'll talk about other business now. what do you think is going to be the way the senate decides this? will it be partisan whether they decide to go to a real filibuster, you go to the mattresses, you stay up all night and force quorum calls over and over again? or they give up on change? what do you think is going to be the politics of this? >> the politics right now is mitch mcconnell is absolutely opposing any change in the rules because he has the advantage of paralyzing the senate with no public accountability. the talking filibuster forces his process to be done before the american people, and i think he realizes the american people are not going to like what they see. and yet that's where it should be. if you don't have the courage of your convictions to stand before the american people and say, i am obstructing this bill and here is why, then, in fact, you should shut up, sit down, and let t
is not part of this problem. so it should not be part of the discussion. harry reid, in fact, has been extremely firm on that. he said i will not be part of discussions that include social security as part of this bargain. so if they stick to that, then they won't be. >> yeah, there's so many moving pieces. susan, today, the president's going to meet with small business owners. friday he's going to montgomery, pennsylvania, to visit a small business that will be impacted. very campaign like stuff. what's he trying to do here? >> yeah, who is he not meeting with this week? that would be congressional -- that would be members of congress, especially those house republicans would be the critical partners on this. so he's trying to take a very different approach than he took in the first term and the early go rounds on this. and that is to build some public support tap on the good feeling from his re-election to give -- as ryan pointed out. there's some democrats including powerful ones like harry reid that say medicare and medicaid have to be off the table. those democrats do not include
's stephen colbert territory. that's harry reid. that's what they say. that's nonsense. people take the pledge but the reason why most republican than a handful of democrats take the pledge is the only 10 to raise taxes. we just and the pledge of in the mail and people make that commitment and campaign on it and make it part of -- >> if you're running in a republican primary, it's very helpful to you, effectively difficult to run in a republican primary without signing it. they are in a box. the republicans, county and look for a way out of? >> no. which general have is a little so here's complicated bill. it's got a lot of moving parts. does it raise taxes? look, it's pretty clear in those cases. the important part of the pledge is it allows people to credibly commit they're not going to raise taxes and the people know who and what they are. is allowed john boehner and mitch mcconnell to govern recently. it's about the republican governors passed out ushers at the red states for the 24 states republican governors, republican legislature. blue are the 13 of 40 state spending on how
reid on the floor of the senate only moments ago. listen to him. >> unfortunately there is one obstacle standing between you and congress to compromise, grover norquist. for years he has bullied lawmakers willing to put their oath of office or promise to serve constituents ahead of their pledge to this antitax zealot. his brand of ideological extremism has been bad for congress and even worse for the country. i was pleased to see republicans in congress distance themselves from norquist this week. i appreciate that very much. bill: here now to react. grover norquist, americans for tax reform. good morning to you. >> sure. bill: harry reid, what do you think about that? >> well, only senator harry reid of nevada could pack that many lies into something quite that short. look, the taxpayer protection pledge as harry reid well knows is a commitment by senators and congressmen to their constituents, not to me personally, reid tells that lie over and over again, a commitment to their constituents that when they come to washington they will reform government and spend less money, rather than
't be just being against the democrats. and against harry reid and against obama. you have to be for things, and we have to give them something like the contract with america, that we gave them some years ago. we have to give them something to be for. and as far as young women are concerned, absolutely. i don't think anybody like me, i can state my position on abortion, but, to -- other than that, leave the issue alone. when we are in the kind of economic situation and, frankly, national security situation we're in. >> chris: when you say leave the issue alone, you would allow, you say, freedom of choice? >> i would allow people to have those popinions and rec those opinions and i'm proud of my pro-life position and record and if someone disagrees with me, i respect your views. >> chris: senator mccain, thank you as always for coming in today, you will have a busy final weeks here in 2012. >> we certainly will. thank you, sir. >> chris: thank you. up next 'tis the season to shop and spend, but the upcoming fiscal clip put a damper on consumers and investors? ♪ we're sitting on a bunch of
, they are not going to be mad of the him for long. joining me now is msnbc's joy reid. how are you? >> i'm doing well. >> so much as i think they will one day come to forgive chris christie, watch how his recent visit to "saturday night live" played with eric bowles. >> let's look at the republican acting like a democrat governor chris christie slobbering a wet kiss on president obama's cheek with days until the election. then this curious appearance on "saturday night live" while jersey still suffers from power outages and massive job losses. >> slobbering wet kiss. do you think i'm underestimating this? >> i think it will take longer to heal. your theory is sound as far as getting relelkted in new jersey. he did the right thing when it comes to remaining governor of new jersey. but i think that the idea that he can be forgiven enough by the base to run for president in 2016 presumes that republicans are going to basically do a punch the base strategy. because look, the part of the party that's about winning elections, the sort of wing that's the political wing, definitely is going to look to chris
agenda. it can't be just being against the democrats and against harry reid and against obama. you have to be for things. we have to give them the contract with america that we gave them some years ago. we have to give them something to be for. young women, i don't think anybody like me i can state my position on abortion, but to -- other than that, leave the issue alone. when we're in the kind of economic situation and frankly national security situation we're? >> chris: you would say freedom of choice? >> i would allow people to have those opinions and respect those opinions. i'm proud of my pro-life position and record but if someone disagrees with me, i respect your views. >> chris: nor -- senator mccain. thank you for being here today. >> 'tis the season to shop and spend. will the coming fiscal cliff put a damper on consumers and investments? 4g lte is the fastest. so, which supeast 4g lte service would yochoose, based on this chart ? don't rush into it, i'm not looking for the fastest answer. obviously verizon. okay, i have a different chart. going that way, does that make a diff
is sticking by her for now. she's not yet been nominated. harry reid said they believe the committees in charge chaired by john kerry should be in charge of this and not members from other committees like homeland security and intelligence and armed services who are getting involved in this. but as you pointed out, none of the republican senators asking questions chair anything. it's becoming very personal and very puzzling indeed. >> one last sort of puzzling hmt of this to me. i just want your perspective because you have reported on these issues for so long. it seems remarkable to me to have the acting director of the cia personally accompanying susan rice to that meeting today. this is not formal testimony. there was no committee of lindsey graham and john mccain. they don't run anything there. is it unusual to have the leader of the cia personally involved like this? >> it was remarkable to me. i described her on "nightly news" as her wing man. he was there to take the blame. and it did seem for an acting director of the cia to be put in that position rather extraordinary. he him
the fiscal cliff to prove his mandate? maybe. joining me now are joy reid, managing editor of the grio and robert reich, former labor secretary and professor at the university of california berkeley. joy, are you feeling sorry for grover norquist yet? >> immensely. he's such a lonelily l man. the senate is gone. enough republican senators have signal they're going to play ball. this is about the house of representatives and really for john boehner, everything changes in a good way for him. if we go off the curb or the cliff on january 1st, he won't be dealing with that tea party caucus and that's the bee in his bonnet that doesn't want to make a deal and by the way, a lot of them are are out the door. so greg's reporting is interesting because it signals that the white house has a public posture in which they say no, we dare not go off the cliff but we're going to get those tax rates increased and the reporting i've done tonight is that there's going to be additional meetings. this was the private version of the public meetings they did last week. now, they've been doing them in privat
. he spoke with speaker boehner and harry reid over the weekend and yet no meeting date is set. what kind of outreach is going on behind the scenes? are you aware, ken, of any other relationships that are being developed at this moment to try to fend off the fiscal cliff? >> yeah. mostly what we're hearing about is that the staff level there are ongoing negotiations between the white house, between harry reid and the senate majority leader's office and john boehner's office, the house republicans. but so far what we've seen, at least in the principal, is really just highlighting the differences and how stark the differences are. yes, there have been some republicans who have publicly said they are open to poe tengts tax increases, revenue increases, but even more so we're seeing this entrenchment over the military spending cuts, the unwilling nness to see that and we're seeing on the democratic side the idea that maybe it wouldn't be so bad if we went over the fiscal cliff and kicked the can down the road to the next congress which will be more favorable from the liberal perspective
reid and speaker john boehner by phone on saturday when you see him this week he will be getting by with a little help from his friends ordinary unelected americans. joining us professor of economics at the university of michigan justin wool fers. great to see you. before i ask for your economic analysis i want to pose one question to my colleagues in new york, that is really about the optics of the president going straight forward and straight to the kisser as it were on the bush tax cuts, not really even talking about the fiscal cliff or the debt limit which looms in february or march. >> as we know there is no real fiscal cliff. it's more of a curve or a mole hill. it's serious and real but not going over the cliff. if there is something of a cliff-like situation, it's playing to the president's advantage. december 31st what he doesn't want, the bush tax cuts for the rich, will be gone. they'll also be gone with the middle-class tax cuts. two years ago the republicans tried to hold the president hostage and said listen, if you don't give us the bush high-end tax cuts we're not
programs. it is something that was taken out of my paycheck. >> bill: thank you. >> caller: harry reid said they didn't contribute to the debt problem. these big tax breaks contributed to the debt problem, the two false wars created the deficit. we need to lock arms and walk up to the cliff and see what it is all about. >> bill: arnold you got it. alan in new bedford mass. >> caller: good morning, bill. i think there are two separate issues. the bush tax cuts were to expire in 2010. they were only extended was because of [ inaudible ]. period. >> bill: yeah, that was all over the debt ceiling negotiations. the president went along with it, but it's time to end them now. they are still making the argument that that is a job creator. no, it's not. no, it's not. >> announcer: this is the "bill press show." ♪ >> announcer: chatting with you live at current.com/bill press. this is the "bill press show," live on your radio and current tv. >> bill: how about it coming to you live indeed. coming you live on cirrus xm this hour only and on current tv. republicans talking out b
democrat harry reid says republicans are the ones dragging their heels. there's been little progress with the republicans, which is a disappointment to me. they've talked some happy talk about doing revenues, but we only have a couple weeks to get something done. >> reporter: republicans point out that medicare and medicaid are the largest future drivers of the debt. they say they won't agree to increased revenue from taxes unless they get entitlement cuts as well. scott, it's safe to say there are going to be people on the right and left howling mad at no matter what this deal looks like. >> pelley: nancy, thank you very much. one idea they're looking at is scaling back one of the most popular tax breaks of all: the mortgage deduction. dean reynolds will tell us more about this later in the broadcast. that crisis in egypt is growing tonight. more than 200,000 protesters have filled cairo's tahrir square. they are angry with their new president, mohamed morsi who said last week that his decisions cannot be challenged by the courts which gives him almost absolute power. and our holly
leader of the united states senate, the honorable harry reid. >> today the people of burma and the united states honor aung san suu kyi. her personal sacrifice and her dedication to spreading freedom and justice not only in burma but in the world. even when it meant separation from her family, when it meant being a part from her husband at the hour of his death, aung san suu kyi has remained true to her cause. today i also recognize my colleague, republican leader mitch mcconnell. i have stood next to him on the senate floor now for a long time, and there is no cause for which he has been more pronounced in doing something about than aung san suu kyi and burma. i extend my congratulations, my admiration and i applaud him for his good work. he has been a long standing advocate in the united states to focus on burma and what is wrong there with the ruling junta. he co-sponsored the economic sanctions bill that helped push the regime toward freedom. sometimes people think it is hard for the two parties of congress to find common ground. lots of times it is. but i am pleased that where the bu
? there has been so much acrimony. the white house, you know, pushing senator reid to get a budget out of the senate. is there going to be some kind of a kumbaya moment? >> i think there is. i just read the tea leaves and you listen to nancy pelosi or harry reid, the majority leader of the senate. both have already said that there is going to be a deal well before christmas. i think that they know. pressure from low income people on the left. they want them to make a deal. again, i don't think it's getting attention, but the president is under pressure. jon: it is so fascinating that so little seems to get done and get the voters sent the same cast of characters back to washington to get it all done again, i guess. >> that's optimistic. jon: juan williams, brad blakeman. happy thanksgiving. jenna: on this thanksgiving, the latest forecast up next for you. plus, thanksgiving favorites getting a whole new look this year. one of them is the star of them all. the turkey. turkey ice cream. need i say more? stay with us people really love snapshot from progressive, but don't just listen to m
with it again. thank you, stuart. martha: you have got senate majority leader harry reid saying there isn't much to talk about, that the election shows the american people have given the lawmakers the go ahead to raise taxes. >> americans when they voted raised their voices and supported our pledge. congress is acting in accordance with the will of the american people. martha: reid says any agreement must have the wealthy to pay a little bit more to reduce the deficit. bill: what happens if they don't see a deal? 90% of americans will see a tax hike in 2013. and families that make between $40,000 and $65,000 will have to pay an extra $2,000 to washington, d.c. in taxes. martha: concerns over america's fiscal cliff have sent the markets lower in premarket trading. there is a look at where the dow is poised to open this morning. with the dow, the s & p and the nasdaq all trading lower. speaking of that, a new round of violent protests break out in egypt as police fired teargas into the crowds. here are some of those scenes. >> unbelievable. more than 100,000 people flooded into downtown cairo. th
. and the first piece of legislation i expect that harry reid would bring up in the senate would be to maintain the tax breaks for the bottom 98% and challenge the republicans to say no to that. >> senator bernie sanders, thank you for your time tonight. >>> joining us now is leo gerard. how committed is labor to continuing the campaign for the president's agenda? is this just an extension of what you just went through? >> we're totally committed to this agenda. we had a conference call today where we're looking at what our strategy is going to be. as we said, our folks are ready and willing to start to talk to those senators. we'll knock on doors if we have to. but let me say a couple thing, ed. i think we're having part of the the wrong debate here. this isn't a fiscal cliff. this is a slope. what we need to do is understand that the deficit is a long-term challenge and the best way to reduce the deficit is to get people back to work. right now, the price of money is cheap. you can almost get it for free. we should be investing in more economic development. >> so should this be part of the pa
through. i want to ask you about comments about senator reid talking about how he's making it difficult for things to be brought up and you say he's abused the power in the senate to a degree that has never ever been done. how so. i don't think there's any doubt about that. for example, he's controlled the minority party to have amendments to bill after bill after bill after bill and he also has refused to have a budget for three years and the reason is, when you you bring up a budget, you're guaranteed to have the right to amendments and full debate and he's refused for three years to bring up a budget to the floor of the senate and once again, we're headed into secret negotiations with a few leaders and meeting in secret. they'll bring up a settlement presumably, hopefully, until the fiscal cliff, december 24, december 31st and ask everybody to vote for it without amendment and without any real discussion and knowledge by the american people of what's in it. and so, this is so contrary to the great senate understanding where the great issues of our day are debated at length and peopl
in congress to accept tax increases on the wealthy. joy reid is managing editor of thegrio.com. she's at least as smart as i am, which is not an accolade, it's a fact, and she's much younger. okay. we found out this weekend, and you know this better than i, i enjoy your report on this, the obama campaign wasn't some kumbaya number. it was an incredibly organized machine. it was real, it was people meeting people, getting points for how many contacts you made with voters. they knew a certain number of contacts led to a probability of people voting. incredibly hands-on, real people with other people. can you turn that machine into something that can get the right kind of deal? >> i think the president spent a year and a half developing a gigantic infrastructure that really came out on election day. and he did that -- >> human. >> through these kinds of direct contacts, but he also had an argument in the campaign that brought those people out. and central to that argument was that we need an economy that works for everyone, that people need to pay their fair share. >> so the key element of that,
're not going to stop the front four of anybody else. >> problematic. hey, with any luck, andy reid will be coaching the packers next year. >> or rex ryan. >> hey, we'll give you rex. you want rex ryan? >> we're happy with our coach. i would not want to be andy reid. >> no. >> he's going to san diego, barnicle tells me. >> he'd be on san diego next year. >> let's talk about what's in politico. you want to do that? >> love to. >> okay. so fiscal cliff is all the talk of washington, obviously. but you guys are writing this morning, your headline about the other fiscal fight, which is, again, the debt ceiling. >> yeah, i think people forget we have essentially three blink moments, sequestration, the debate, and we hit the debt limit probably some time in february. and you have to raise the debt limit unless you take the posture that some folks in the democratic party are recommending and saying just raise it unilaterally, have the president do that. i don't think that's what they want to do right now. in the past, congress has had to raise that debt limit. and as you know, house republ
senator harry reid happy, should that make you worry? who better to ask than grover? tonight, on fox business network. you don't get it? demand it. you don't want to miss this. >> steer clear of the cliff, gouge them at the pump? get ready for real road rage. >>neil: i am headed off to the city of angels. the ladies can't wait. >> so crazy it is here. >> my heart is pounding. >> he is a very nice man. a lot of fun. >> i am constantly amazed. >> i know the businessman and the famous names but i want to know what makes him tick. >> brilliance, baby, brilliance, i am coming to town, don't miss a special "your world" and we are back again at on fox business network, lawmakers in washington are pushing if tax hikes and we are going to be if california at highest tax state in the nation to see what the tax hikes might do with a lot of special guests and if you notice they changed the sign too. italian americans unite. >> talk of a gasoline tax hike that has steve moore say washington is adding fuel to the fire but i heard it and i thought it could not be so but there is a real chance. >> i
're making my point. where is the conversation about cutting, dir dick durbin, harry reid? >> the president sold a lie. the lie is you can have these goodies and it will be paid for if you tax the rich for more. that's economic nonsense. i want to give you one number. the unfunded liability of medicare, one entitlement program, is $42 trillion. that's money that we've got to shell out in the future, which we do not have. are you going to tell me we could tax the rich? >> i am not telling you, but this is what i'm saying, that the tax reform and entitlement reform should and could be a bigger part of this conversation, however to focus on the republicans now at this point i think is chasing a rabbit down a hole. it is not the republicans' responsibility to come up with a plan. president obama won fair and square. he's the won who needs to persuade america that the policy is right. >> sean: we have the exact same situation as we had before. all this money was spent, all the arguing over -- >> the house passed all sorts of bill to improve the economy in the last congress. you don't get anywher
in washington. the white house says the president did speak with speaker boehner and senator reid over the weekend to touch base on this very issue. as one republican aide put it to cnn, the fact that they are still talking is progress. but a democratic aide said they don't have staff had you hadling in a room going over spreadsheets which is where they need to get to hammer out a deal. what they're doing now is they're at the dancing stage of this negotiation. >> a lot of folks are saying it's not the republicans in the senate so much will be the problem for the obama administration, but republicans in the house of representatives, especially those from the tea party movement and others will be a serious problem. >> what was an important group of republicans during the debt ceiling debate while this election has changed the arithmet arithmet arithmetic, republicans in the house will be key to this negotiation. the two men that need to hammer out this deal, just like it was over the summer, is still president obama and spooeseaker boehner. >> i don't think there's any doubt the preside
, the senate majority leader harry reid the democrat over the weekend, perhaps to try to jump-start the talks. as of now, as the house of representatives comes back today, as the senate came back yesterday, we're still very much in limbo on the fiscal cliff. >> here's something else we know. some major republicans have come out and they say that they don't feel bound by the americans for tax reform pledge. most recently we saw house majority leader eric cantor. do you believe more republicans will stick by this? >> what we're finding out right now zoraida is that there's a little bit of coming to jesus moment about how to fix the fiscal cliff. for republicans perhaps it is going to be higher taxes. for democrats there's going to have to be some changes to entitlement reform. but grover norquist has been really the person pushing this no tax pledge, has been on our airwaves. he's been talking a lot about it. let's hear what he had to say about republicans who might break the pledge. >> no pledge taker has voted for a tax increase. they've had some people discussing impure thoughts on national
neither house speaker john a. boehner nor senator majority leader harry reid. in a position to make it happen. >> i think that's right. when the time comes, if we get to the time where a grand bargain of, you know, big deal that would take care of the nation's fiscal challenges for the next 10 or 20 or 30 year, the president will have to be the one who lays it all out and he's argued for a balanced approach, has offered, you know, $3 in spending cuts to every $1 in tax increases. what he campaigned on. he's in a good position to make that case. not -- the moment is not right exactly right now but i think when we get there he's going to be the one that will have to frame the whole thing up. >> we saw the polls yesterday and harold, that if this doesn't work out, people are going to blame and it seems republicans will take some of the blame. i think people are beginning to look for movement from both sides but would be upset if it didn't happen with a republican party. >> it has to work out in some form or another. hopefully it's a long-term solution or patchwork solution so it's a qu
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